Monday, July 23, 2012

LOTS of Chaos Rumors.......



Blood of Kittens continues to break more rumors than any other site and usually has very good info. TastyTaste's post this time not only reviews previous rumors by Skcuzzlebumm, which appeared here and all over, but he posted a TON of new stuff.

Skcuzzlebumm Review (TastyTaste's comments in bold)
-Release date: September 1st (my guess as well)
-Hard back (my guess as well)
-There is an Eye of the Gods-like table ~like the WFB  Warriors of Chaos table.
You get to roll on whenever a character kills another character in a challenge, or a Walker or Monstrous Creature. There is a multitude of gifts (and curses) that your Characters can acquire which range from +1 Save, +1 Toughness, or becoming either a Spawn or a Daemon Prince!!! (Sorta True — trying to lump all the funky stuff into one table  is not totally accurate. CSM codex is table land. Expect many random charts and upgrades it will be hard to keep track.)
-Chaos Cultists are in (true– said this and others before)
-The Dragon flyer is in  – think Necron Night Scythe with the main chassis replaced by a massive mechanical dragon head with segmented wings sweeping forward and around from it. (True – The thing looks like a dragon head attached to the Owl from Clash of the Titans)
-Dark Apostles – ~Word Bearers rejoice!!! (True– but more of cultist leader/moral buffer)
-Warp Smiths – Chaos Techmarines that can curse vehicles and degrade terrain. ~maybe they’ll have anti-psychotic grenades ( True -Think Doc Ock )
-New Daemon Engine – half way between a Dreadnought and a Defiler. (True -I would say halfway between Defiler and Trygon)
-Defilers are Daemons and have a 5+ Inv save. (Yes a Demon, and some extra lovin…)
-’Cult’ units are all Elites and are unlocked to Troops by appropriate HQ choices (True- Said this before, but have some good news on that front)
-No Cult Terminators ~boo hiss!!! (-True, boo hiss!!!)
-Obliterators are exclusively for shooting – so no powerfists. (-False they will shoot, but still have a powerfist)
HOWEVER there is a new unit which is basically a close combat Obliterator. (True)
-There are 2 types of Raptors now: regular CSMs with Jump Packs, and Possessed Daemonic Raptors with Lightning Claws. (True)
-Possessed take multiple benefits from the Eye of the Gods table. (not sure)
-NO Daemons in the Codex. (true, but allies FTW!)

And now on to TastyTaste's Rumors:

–Important Designer Note–
The new CSM codex is not a return to the 3rd edition codex, this is the successor to Gav Thorpe’s creation– the current CSM codex. Unlike before Phil Kelly was put in charge of  building from the ground up; Space Wolves, Dark Eldar, and Orks codexes he instead has taken a much more subtle approach with the CSM Codex. This is not the reinvention of the wheel at its core this is a validation for Gav Thorpe and perhaps if you could ask Gav, Phil Kelly’s CSM codex would have been the codex he wished he could have written, but wasn’t allowed to.

–What will be Released–
We will know if GW has changed policy. This codex will reveal if GW has abandoned the wave method to model release with a new codex or if they have stopped caring and show you all the new models even if they don’t come out right away.
Finecast: Dark Apostle, Warsmith, New Lord, Oblits, All Old Special Characters not updated already
New Plastic: Dragon, Raptors, Dreadnaught, Demon Engine, Assault Oblits, Chosen
Upgrade Packs: Plague Marines, 1k Sons, Emperor’s Children

–General Changes–
Almost all of the old units are either the same point cost or have gotten cheaper. With the notable exceptions of Chosen, Terminators, Defilers getting more expensive. The notable cheaper ones being basic CSM, Oblits, Zerkers,  The CSM is really an upgrade codex, while things have gotten cheaper you will be hard pressed to keep your units inexpensive with all the wargear you can add. The cheaper units doesn’t come without a cost as well, almost all units saw a LD drop. Also you will start to see a lot of the new USRs in the CSM book.

 –What has stayed the Same–
The Cult units are the same in stats and basic wargear. No new Spacial Characters. Abbadon is still the only one with Eternal Warrior. Demon Weapons still can kill you. The Dreadnaught is still Crazy. The unit sizes have stayed the same as well as the wargear options found in the old codex; e.g. Chosen can still get a butt load special weapons.

–Psychic Powers–
As can you expect each Chaos God gives their chosen Sorcerer access to their own set of spells. That allows you to pick from Basic Spells and the new ones for each God. If anyone was wondering Lash of Submission is gone.

Ok now that we got the basics out-of-the-way let us get to the good stuff

–Daemons–
A good number of units in the CSM codex have this USR.
  • Raptors
  • Oblits
  • CC Oblit
  • Defilers
  • Demon Engines
  • Dragons
  • Possessed
  • Demon Prince
–It Will Not Die–
Wonder who was getting this new USR well you guessed it CSM is.
  • Dragons
  • Defilers
  • Demon Engines
–Demon Possessed–
Demon possessed just got a whole bunch cuter really. Instead of not being able to embark in demon possessed vehicles they now will only eat one of your guys and repair itself. Otherwise works the same way as before lose BS and ignore shaken and stunned, In addition some things get wargear automatically.
  • Dragons
  • Defliers
  • Demon Engines
–Challenges–
All CSM characters must always accept challenges

–Icons and Marks–
Marks and Icons are both purchasable by most units. That means you have five new Icons and the same four marks, in which units can have a combination of two. This is a list of the USRs and stat bonus possible.
  • Fearless
  • FnP
  • +1 T
  • +1 Invul Save
  • Rage
  • Soul Blaze
  • Furious Charge
  • Fear
  • +1 I
–Space Marines Better Hide–
Almost all CSM units get Hatred Space Marines. Now I am not sure if this includes all Space Marine variants or just Smurfs and friends.

–?Eye of the Gods Table?–
Yeah this will be the chart to end all charts and competitive players will cry everywhere because it is random. All 60+random abilities! Yes you heard it right over 60! How it works I don’t know, but characters can get multiple rolls on the chart through various methods.

Time for some specific models right? Sure why not!

–Dragon–
Oh the Dragon yeah the model on everyone mind. This is a CSM answer to other flyers it is designed almost exclusively to hunt and destroy other flyers. Clocking in about the same points cost of Carnifex these little hell on wings Vector Strike and bring pain to a lot of things. Did I mention it gets to re-roll wounds and armor pens.

–Demon Engines–
The other mystery model that has been leaked. These guys sit on the large bases like Trygons. They have an assortment of special weapons that have never been seen before. They are designed for Building and Heavy armor destruction with Melta CC weapons and bonuses against buildings. They as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pens.  Side note: Defilers as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pen. 

–Dragons, Demon Engines, Defilers oh my-
So let me put this in perspective. All these models ignore shaken and stunned, have 5+ invul saves, re-roll wounds and armor pens, and can recover wounds and hull points lost.

–Cult Units–
I know much of the Internet was crying about them only being in the Elite slot when I first mentioned it. How dare they force me to take Kharn to spam Berserkers! Well don’t worry is not as bad as you think. You can also get a generic Lord and buy the correct mark and unlock them as troops as well. As for the rules themselves just minor changes.
  • Zerkers: Rage, Cheaper
  • 1k Sons: Soul Fire, Same cost
  • Emperor Children: Weapons Ignore cover and now have Salvo USR, Cheaper
  • Plague Marines: Poison Weapons, More Expensive
–Typhus and Cultists–
Typhus is now a mastery level 2 sorcerer of Nurgle. In addition as reported earlier he can make any cultist a zombie. Zombies are going to be disgusting in 6th edition. FnP, Fearless, Fear, and all for no additional cost. As for Cultists they are cheap not conscript cheap, but close. You can get over 30 of them in a squad.

–Daemon Princes, Sorcerers , Chaos Lords–
Princes got more expensive wargear bringing them in line with the Demon Codex. Sorcerers are pretty much the same with the ability to buy up to Master level 3, but they only ever have 2 wounds. Chaos Lords are where it seems to be at, Phil Kelly wants you to design a Lord tailored to your army, their list of wargear options is easily the largest of any model in the book. Also remember they allow you to make Cult Units troops.

Ok that is all I got for now, depending on how the week goes and what GW does I might get more rumors for you, but until now that is all I got. Wait, no I just remembered something…


Please check out the Blood of Kittens site.

Loken

8 comments:

Krisken said...

I really want to like what I'm hearing here, but I don't know. There's a lot here which excites me but a lot which seems utterly frustrating (including MORE randomness). Having to accept challenges... just yuck.

Son of Dorn said...

Wow. Really on top of things this evening, Loken. Keep it all coming :)

Krisken, you should be loving this. It sounds like a great book. They have the HATRED rule for marines? That's gonna suck for most players. Also, they're chaos marines. It would seem randomness suits them :) Heck, their very symbol is going every which way at once, and with Phil Kelly writing those tables, you know it'll be just fine :D

And as a side note, the tidbit about the tables does vindicate me, too :)

http://perturbatory.blogspot.com/2012/07/6th-impressions-warlord-traitspsychic.html


I'm eager to see what this means for other codexes that are just around the bend.

Krisken said...

Well, having to accept challenges and then possibly turning into a chaos spawn for winning them isn't just random, it's just not nice :)

Anyways, I hope it turns out ok. Consider me cautiously pessimistic but willing to give it a chance :)

Son of Dorn said...

I'd like to believe that the gift? of being turned into a spawn would be for losing miserably. If it were Cruddace, I'd say worrying is justfied. Since it's Phil, I think it'll be fine :) He wrote Orks; Random is his middle name ;)

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that Chaos should be the epitome of Random. It's in the name! You should see it coming by the name alone!.

Krisken said...

Yes, but 'random' doesn't have to mean 'inconsistent to the point of bad'. That's all I'm hoping for, Anonymous.

Tsipis said...

Sounds awesome, but I was hoping for some love for Tzeentch. Soul blaze for Rubric marines? I guess its better than nothing but kinda meeeeh.

Kieran M said...

i'm loving these rumors...they return the teeth to chaos marines that some players have insisted they lost long ago.

as a wolf player, i am happy to see a enemy worthy of my axe.

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