tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post6302692045314747023..comments2023-11-21T21:21:34.571-08:00Comments on Heresy30K - The Horus Heresy Blog: BoLS and Faeit212 down - Faeit212 out!Lokenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02691752735271380898noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-19138731189969515732013-04-30T16:01:24.890-07:002013-04-30T16:01:24.890-07:00Hey guys,
I am a minor painter/tournament organiz...Hey guys,<br /><br />I am a minor painter/tournament organizer for GW, and I obviously visit blogs like A40k and faeit. I actually have them bookmarked and favorited online, because I visit them daily, both for the hobby/community side of things, and for the leaks/rumors. Where I am in the GW food chain, faeit, Apocalypse 40k and BoLS are often the first I hear about new stuff. That being said, my buddy, who works at GW Nottingham and actually hangs out with some of the guys on the design team, usually hears about stuff well before it gets released. While I love these blogs and am pissed at GW legal for pulling stunts like this, I can see where they're coming from. <br /><br />Anyways, what I'm actually posting about is that, although GW is pulling stunts like this more and more, they often have an understandable, though rarely good, reason for them. They do make colossal mistakes, like when they started going after the bitz business, their legal/corporate departments don't seem to see past "Raise prices, get younger kids to buy our stuff", and they have showed absolutely no inclination to actually TALK TO THE HOBBYISTS, like Loken said above. What their doing now, or so far as I've heard and what I can see, is less about the rumor posting or the leaks, but about actually posting direct copies of their stuff online, and before it has been released. I personally can't see any way that this ISN'T illegal, and although I, from a fan and hobbyists point of, don't agree with it, I think that from a business perspective, they are right to go after blogs that have posted stuff in blatantly illegal ways.<br /><br />Anyways, I'll wrap this up now. I know that many of you won't agree with a lot of what I've said above, but please try to keep the hating to a minimum; I'm just a hobbyist expressing his opinion. I wish GW corporate would actually start to recognize some of the aspects of this hobby that people enjoy, and I hope this gets sorted out so that Faeit and BoLS will be able to continue posting, though with less over-the-top copyright infringement, and that we can continue to build and enjoy the online hobby community, which is what makes these games fun.<br /> ForCalthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-88366481670726954902013-04-30T12:04:47.939-07:002013-04-30T12:04:47.939-07:00Someone said:
"If there is something on the s...Someone said:<br />"If there is something on the sites before it is published then who has IP rights? The one that was first so the site has rights to the picture, not someone that release it later and says that he was first."<br /><br />This is pure bull. The IP belongs to the one who created it. It doesn't matter who posted it where first. Not at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-81169790361790649932013-04-30T11:17:43.779-07:002013-04-30T11:17:43.779-07:00Interesting question Game Thug.
Fair Use does not...Interesting question Game Thug.<br /><br />Fair Use does not mean Free Use, Fair Use on images for criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. <br />However the DCMA specifically goes after images taken from publications owned and copyrighted by GW in which a consumer buys to gain access.<br /><br />Taking a photo from their website for Fair Use may be acceptable as long as you credit the source and copyright information.<br /><br />It's a tricky balance.Adeptus Hobbyisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04457537244818321196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-79216938318014737702013-04-30T10:00:44.780-07:002013-04-30T10:00:44.780-07:00You noted above that GW has a case, but isn't ...You noted above that GW has a case, but isn't broadcasting pics like this well within the limits of Fair Use?Game Thughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326537111648972389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-76698310425423585832013-04-30T08:47:44.968-07:002013-04-30T08:47:44.968-07:00I'll be honest, I'm really not bothered ab...I'll be honest, I'm really not bothered about reading all the leaked stuff, but I do like all the articles, painting, tacticas, reviews etc. Bell of Lost Souls and many of the sites it linked to really make the hobby for me, and I am much less likely to buy more GW if they shut all these sites down. GW should be thankful for so much good quality free advertising. I wish my business got as much. DaveK (Liverpool U.K.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-43385531772629417392013-04-30T08:41:00.334-07:002013-04-30T08:41:00.334-07:00It is undeniable that every white dwarf, book, mod...It is undeniable that every white dwarf, book, model, photograph, image, and sketch that originates from Games Workshop is their Intellectual Property and no one, has asked permission to legally use the material and properly give credit to games workshop's IP on their posts.<br /><br />I'm not against blogs about gaming and hobbies, but more and more recently the so called "News" I've been reading has less to do with the Hobby in it's style and technique, less to do with Gaming in it's battle reports and tactics, and more with legal battles, controversies, politics.<br /><br />Fascinatingly enough I think it's very hypocritical of everyone, to complain that White Dwarf has become less of a Hobby Magazine and more of an advertisement, while every independent blog on the web has become infatuated with Rumors, leaked photos and nonsensical ranting over the legality of someone else's intellectual property which is in fact their property dang it!<br /><br />Bloggers, Gamers, Hobbyists.<br /><br />It's time to bring the hobby back to the internet, leaked photos, rumors, politics are not what makes this hobby great, they are not what makes articles read on blogs and forums interesting, they are the poison that seeps into the wound of our hobby and takes away from the things we love the the most.<br /><br />For once I'd like to visit a blog or a site and see less bantering and more articles on Painting, Playing, Hobbying, Converting, actual REAL content that has been thoughtfully written out with helpful advice and opinions.<br /><br />I don't care about leaked photos or rumors, i'll see it when it comes out and i'm going to buy it anyway so whatever!<br /><br />so, get off your high horses, start hobbying, start making artcles that are worth reading, because as much as everyone complains that White Dwarf is just a big Advertisement, it has more worthy articles than most blogs now days.<br /><br />food for thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-74029060842602389762013-04-30T08:12:20.199-07:002013-04-30T08:12:20.199-07:00First, I wish you all would NOT post anonymously. ...First, I wish you all would NOT post anonymously. It would be nice to know who was saying what. You may not realize this, but your words hold less meaning when you don't stand behind them.<br /><br />Second, I agree, GW creative is awesome, GW Executive/Legal sucks.<br /><br />Third, I approve of the no online sales part of GW policy, because discounters are BAD for your Friendly Local Game Store. Pure and simple. I DISAPPROVE of their "no bits" policy which is INSANE and wish GW, as a company, would get the collective stick out of their ass, communicate with their customers and especially people like Larry Vela, myself and Natkfa (or whatever the hell his name is) and work with us like EVERY MAJOR COMPANY DOES.<br /><br />AlecLokenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691752735271380898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-19603311594398726342013-04-30T06:46:45.922-07:002013-04-30T06:46:45.922-07:00Loken are you going to champion a move by GW corpo...Loken are you going to champion a move by GW corporate ever again after this? Last time they pulled some shit you posted this: http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2013/03/gw-policy-eliminates-web-and-bits-sales.html<br /><br />I support the creative teams at GW. I will always oppose the corporate/legal teams at GW for being obstinate asses. I really wonder what's going on over there for the corporate/legal guys to be so aggressive lately; if they think they're losing sales because of IP infringement or whatever, maybe they need to consider the old "we're raising prices on a luxury/non-necessity commodity in a recession" conundrum instead.<br /><br />If for any reason they try to ban sales of secondhand goods from eBay, I'm out of 40K for good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-17584013621645510682013-04-30T06:12:37.822-07:002013-04-30T06:12:37.822-07:00Proof of where the fault lies, good luck;
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Someo...Proof of where the fault lies, good luck;<br />. <br />Someone takes a photo.<br />(night Janitor, other country where the photo was released earlier, etc., disgruntled employee)<br />Of a product before the product is released.<br />(new car/Ford Mustang)<br />And sends the photo to someone else.<br />(repeat this process several times)<br />Then the photo gets put on the Internet.<br />.<br />How are the ALL recipients after the original photo taker to know the photo was a Spy photo and thus infringing on Laws/etc?<br />.<br />Punish all who claim ignorance.<br />.<br />Good job GW.<br />.<br />Sarchasm...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-81390109979258745962013-04-30T05:26:10.274-07:002013-04-30T05:26:10.274-07:00I don't know if somebody would join the idea, ...I don't know if somebody would join the idea, but I stop buying GW products this year. Yes, it is my hobby for many years, but strong part of it is social aspect and main part of social aspect for me was Faeit 212 blog. The only way to show my displeasure of GW's lack of tact and wits is to stop giving them my money. At least for some time)), to make strong correlation between Natfka's blog closing and low sales.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-59967820915934218742013-04-30T03:54:33.406-07:002013-04-30T03:54:33.406-07:00Everything published by anyone has a copyright not...Everything published by anyone has a copyright notice informing you that it is not allowed to reprint any part of the publication without prior consent.<br />Freedom of speach does not entitle you to just photograph books and magazines and post them online.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-5097946202845411272013-04-30T03:35:40.092-07:002013-04-30T03:35:40.092-07:00Where did Freedom of Speach, Freedom of Informatio...Where did Freedom of Speach, Freedom of Information and all that go? <br /><br />Almost feels as if US is the new Iran in terms of censorship laws... Viktor Carlson, aka Sikilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10110461392673262280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-11698476928556512972013-04-30T03:31:43.696-07:002013-04-30T03:31:43.696-07:00Also what Warlord22 said.Also what Warlord22 said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-52478723891609770782013-04-30T03:30:20.466-07:002013-04-30T03:30:20.466-07:00I'm sure that if Naftka threw a few of his con...I'm sure that if Naftka threw a few of his confidential sources under the bus, all this would go away. Not that that would be the right thing to do - I consider Naftka a journalist. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-41922687832594473612013-04-30T03:22:29.703-07:002013-04-30T03:22:29.703-07:00Guess GW wants to destroy all competitors to WD an...Guess GW wants to destroy all competitors to WD and their Site!<br /><br />Bols & Faith are GW friendly from a fan POV, but not if you look at the profit side of things.<br /><br />-They are the biggest sites regarding leaks!<br />-They post anti GW storys like those were GW crushes small bissineses.<br />-They encourage rules to be leaked before the dex.<br />-Most important... they make a buck due to ads on their blogs.<br /><br />I can see why they are gone now!<br />GW will alwayss be the evil company :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-34373544791536541942013-04-30T02:11:27.201-07:002013-04-30T02:11:27.201-07:00The thing with Unreleased material is funny. Becau...The thing with Unreleased material is funny. Because how can you know that something is from Unreleased material when you didn't see the original. I can say that all comments in this section was stolen from my site as I wanted to post them there, but tomorrow. What is funny I may be right I may be wrong. Because noone saw them at my site yet. If there is something on the sites before it is published then who has IP rights? The one that was first so the site has rights to the picture, not someone that release it later and says that he was first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-54116791004613087402013-04-30T00:58:54.219-07:002013-04-30T00:58:54.219-07:00A response to Birmingham. You do have a point, how...A response to Birmingham. You do have a point, however, noticing the Niche market we are in as a hobbyist is by definition a Passionate of said product which is part of their way of life. This kind of ''taking the product to the next level thing'' is almost second to none (ok cosplay is).<br /><br />Besides that, this is a game of community, unlike say most video games. It isn't like photography or kayaking or which all have their niches, but in their cases there won't be as much fanaticism to a certain model of whatever as we here are, shouting for the emperor or going all waaaaaghh and all.<br /><br />And above all that, it is the community who built up this company. I agree it is inevitable somehow, but i just find this lack of tact... disturbing. First what happens to the North America sales terms on bits and stuff. Now this. Dismay is an understatement. I read BolS aricles before reading the news damn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-6801028315033586792013-04-30T00:14:40.508-07:002013-04-30T00:14:40.508-07:00I think Birmingham has the right idea.I think Birmingham has the right idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-59878394899672751202013-04-29T23:25:48.331-07:002013-04-29T23:25:48.331-07:00The United States has ratified both conventions on...The United States has ratified both conventions on copyright. I see a few ways out of this situation: сhange hosted site, create a private group, or to register as media (they have more rights).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15132927305119447671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-12713699435379848242013-04-29T23:05:37.510-07:002013-04-29T23:05:37.510-07:00As much as I am dismayed that these sites have bee...As much as I am dismayed that these sites have been taken down, I don't believe it is 'shitting on their fan base' as a few comments on various posts about this have claimed.<br /><br />1. Games workshop are a business and like to have the final say in all matters concerning their IP/products. So this is entirely unsurprising. Also considering the statement that faeit212 at least has had MULTIPLE warnings about this, it was inevitable.<br /><br /><br />2. Is it really the end of the world that you can't find out about the next shiny piece of plastic that they are going to release before GW Dain to reveal it? If you have such an issue why not contact tem directly(and encourage others to do the same) and tell them to go back to their old 'sneak peak' method.<br /><br />Birmingham 117th Regimenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05512091765770848138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-8271280144262550772013-04-29T22:56:26.816-07:002013-04-29T22:56:26.816-07:00These claims contradict to the Universal Copyright...These claims contradict to the Universal Copyright Convention and the Berne Convention. Like the design of the claims that I also received from Google.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15132927305119447671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-57049995432664161032013-04-29T22:24:52.800-07:002013-04-29T22:24:52.800-07:00Is it possible for content on rumor sites to be ho...Is it possible for content on rumor sites to be hosted in places like China where they don't care about DCMA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-8631646339932841302013-04-29T21:41:35.542-07:002013-04-29T21:41:35.542-07:00So much shitstorms and nobody ever considers that ...So much shitstorms and nobody ever considers that "fair use" does not mean to copy various pages of rules out of a book and post them online even before the release of said book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-48301659646613583712013-04-29T21:36:18.657-07:002013-04-29T21:36:18.657-07:00I could only hope that GW shut down the cesspool o...I could only hope that GW shut down the cesspool of moronic admins that make up Warseer. Totalitarian anal aholes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195382392714943771.post-70610348658601276182013-04-29T21:18:43.289-07:002013-04-29T21:18:43.289-07:00Also let me clear one thing up because i was inapp...Also let me clear one thing up because i was inappropriately blunt, I was disappointed because this blog has a history of actually operating like a blog, with writing, feeling, opinion, and not just "Leak" site where pictures are posted with nothing else.<br /><br />I was not trying to be an ass, I apologize.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com